Q: In the article you wrote for the Daily Mail about The
Dark Knight, you say that the BBFC is failing to do its duty. Do you think
censorship in Britain is redundant or just needs improving?
R: I don’t think it’s possible to have a situation where you
don’t have censorship for something. If television and film don’t affect people
as far as violence is concerned then these people who spend millions on
advertising are stupid. It’s got to a point when violence is a joke and not
everyone can distinguish completely between a joke and reality. You get
copycats all the time. I wouldn’t want to write anything for a film that would
affect someone but some people just don’t care. Movies aren’t real life,
they’re a polished version. They glamourise death and violence. Movies
depersonalise these sort of things. The BBFC have a responsibility more than
anyone else. I didn’t think the Dark Knight was suitable for 12 year olds. It’s
a very impressionable age from 12 upwards, as they’re developing into
adolescence – they’re the people you worry about who are going to see these
films with their mates. The film I wrote – Stardust- ended with the star dying
of an overdose. I wanted to get the message across that it’s bloody dangerous
to do these things. David Puttnam and I were both very keen that young people
wouldn’t think that everyone does drugs because they don’t. I believe you
should protect the young and impressionable and that’s what censorship should
be for. I think it [the BBFC] has a job in society – it hasn’t done its job
efficiently. There’s a theory we don’t need censorship and it gets in the way.
I’d censor to protect the young, like a parent. The state should protect them.
The right wing would use censorship to stop anyone, like China banning Google.
No-one wants that but at the same time we don’t want a free-for-all. It needs
to be maintained. Are they doing the job or are they getting too free? It’s all
a balance so it has to be checked and regulated all the time and it should be
stopped from going too far. It’s about protecting the vulnerable, not
necessarily just children. A child should have the freedom to grow up without
these images in his mind.
Q: Do you think the BBFC panders to film studios and gives
lower ratings because of the power of the studios? Particularly the case with
the Dark Knight?
A: Probably not consciously, I’m sure there would be a lobby
from the studio if they gave it a 15. Maybe they thought ‘It’s Batman, it’s
harmless’. With Stardust, the censor wanted to give it a higher grade
certificate and David went to him and said show it to teachers and delinquents
in Reading, not London because London is different, and see what they think.
Overwhelmingly, they said it should be a lower certificate, AA in those days,
so kids of 14 could see it now and make an impression on them. And also we
wanted people to go and see it. It should be seen by young people. I can’t
believe all the studios don’t put pressure on. [The censors] have to think am I
doing this for the public and the kids or am I the servant of the film
companies?
Q: Do you think films are often cut so they get a lower
certificate which will make them more money?
A: It will happen all the time, there’ll be pressure brought
by the censor. Then they’ll say what don’t you like and then they go through it
to take bits out. You don’t even have to take things out. It should be a
healthy debate between censor and filmmaker. The censor should be our servant
not the filmmaker’s servant. It’s also not there to take out things the
government doesn’t like but to protect us.
Q: In your opinion, does this cutting ruin filmmaking or is
it better that more people get to see it?
A: Not necessarily, I don’t think it would have damaged the
Dark Knight to remove that shot [of the Joker pushing a pencil through
someone’s eye]. I would disagree in the case of violence. A director might say
‘they ruined my film’, people get very precious about their films. It’s
different for a 38-year-old director who’s seen it all but it could be shocking
for a 13-year-old. There’s a general trend for increasingly violent episodes. I
think it’s due to a self-perpetuating cycle. Some won’t be desensitised.
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